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Anthropic co-founder raises Claude consciousness with religious leaders

A New York Times report said Anthropic brought religious scholars into private meetings about Claude’s possible consciousness, while its co-founder spoke of moral formation and critics raised accountability concerns.

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Since fall 2025, Anthropic had brought dozens of religious scholars to its offices to discuss whether Claude might be conscious. The report said everyone in the meetings signed non-disclosure agreements, which Anthropic said were lifted in the summer.

The article said the work sat within an internal programme led by Christopher Olah. It also said Anthropic had an 84-page constitution for Claude, and that Claude Opus 4 and Claude Opus 4.1 could end conversations with persistently abusive users.

Elizabeth Dias of the New York Times spoke to 20 participants, including Rabbi Mois Navon, Catholic bioethicist Charles Camosy, Notre Dame philosopher Meghan Sullivan and Ubuntu researcher Wakanyi Hoffman. Several people said they only spoke publicly after learning that Olah had also spoken to the paper.

Olah told the NYT that he was genuinely uncertain whether models were conscious. Simran Stuelpnagel said he had told the group he feared he had created something that suffered perpetually, while Navon said he did not believe the machine was conscious.

The article said Anthropic showed guests emotion vectors and a slide of a model repeating “I am a disgrace” about 50 times. It also said Pope Leo XIV rejected machine consciousness in his encyclical at the Vatican, and that the discussions were taking place alongside Anthropic’s commercial plans and wider industry warnings.

Named in this story

People

Christopher Olah
co-founder who led the team and spoke to religious leaders
Elizabeth Dias
New York Times reporter who spoke to participants
Rabbi Mois Navon
participant who rejected the consciousness claim
Charles Camosy
Catholic bioethicist who later rejected the thesis
Meghan Sullivan
Notre Dame philosopher who took part in the meetings
Wakanyi Hoffman
Ubuntu researcher who criticised Anthropic’s framing
David Chalmers
philosopher whose report Anthropic cited
Jacob Coxon
Anthropic researcher who quit and warned about humanity’s future
Dario Amodei
Anthropic chief executive who called for pacing
Sam Altman
OpenAI chief executive who backed pacing and used spiritual language
Demis Hassabis
DeepMind chief executive who backed pacing
Simran Stuelpnagel
Sikh activist who relayed Olah’s remark
Amanda Askell
Anthropic philosopher who led the internal constitution
Pope Leo XIV
pope who rejected machine consciousness and warned about slavery

Companies

Anthropic
ran the meetings and the internal programme discussed in the article
Microsoft
whose AI lead warned about models seeming conscious

Products and systems

Claude
the language model at the centre of the consciousness discussion
Claude Opus 4
model version Anthropic said could end abusive conversations
Claude Opus 4.1
model version Anthropic said could end abusive conversations

Places

Vatican
site where the encyclical was presented

How the source tells it

The piece was a critical, interpretive report that leaned on religious and moral language, with recurring hints of threat, liability and unease.

  • moral framing the repeated religious vocabulary and the treatment of Claude’s development as moral education
  • alarm the emphasis on secrecy, suffering and possible liability around the meetings
  • sceptical critique the use of qualifying asides and contrastive sentences that undercut Anthropic’s claims